Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/08/1998 01:45 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 406                                                             
                                                                               
"An Act relating to subsistence uses of fish and game."                        
                                                                               
TED POPELY, LEGAL COUNSEL, HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY, ALASKA                   
STATE LEGISLATURE explained that the legislation establishes                   
a preference for subsistence law based on presumptions.  The                   
Boards of Fish and Game would establish stocks of                              
populations throughout the state of Alaska where there is a                    
customary and traditional dependence on the resource.  The                     
legislation would also identify the communities and                            
populations around the stocks and populations that have                        
traditionally and customarily depended on the food.  Once                      
this is done, the persons living within these areas would be                   
presumptively afforded a preference to persons living in the                   
current non-subsistence areas.  The preference would only                      
apply in times of shortage.  The presumptions can be                           
rebutted through civil standard preponderance of evidence.                     
The presumption, once rebutted, establishes that a person is                   
not entitled to the preference.  The legislation is based on                   
an individual criteria system, subject only to presumptions.                   
Local advisory committees are retained.  Six regional                          
advisory councils would be free to reject recommendations                      
based on established criteria.  The existing state                             
definition of "customary", "traditional", "usual                               
opportunity", "subsistence use" and "customary trade" are                      
retained.  There is no constitutional amendment envisioned                     
in the bill.                                                                   
                                                                               
RON SOMERVILLE, CONSULTANT, HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY,                         
ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE added that the establishment of                       
non-subsistence areas on page 5 is the same as existing law.                   
The Boards are given flexibility to apply and implement the                    
six criteria for individual dependence.                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault referred to the findings section.  He                      
questioned how closely the legislation is aligned with the                     
Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA).                      
Mr. Popely clarified that section 1 of CSHB 406 (JUD)                          
reflects section 802 of ANILCA.  They are not verbatim                         
provisions, but fairly closely parallel ANILCA.                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault referred to the use of land on page 1,                     
line 5.  He noted concerns that this provision would                           
preclude possible future subsistence requirements. Mr.                         
Popely stated that the language came out of ANILCA.  "Public                   
lands" is defined in ANILCA to include lands, waters and                       
interests therein.  He observed that two additional phrases                    
that were added to CSHB 406 (JUD) that were not included in                    
ANILCA, "the use of the land is practicable" and "to have no                   
substantial adverse effects on subsistence users."  Section                    
802 of ANILCA refers to the "least adverse impact possible."                   
There is a slight difference between the legislation and                       
ANILCA.  He acknowledged that the concern is valid and that                    
the section may need to be changed.                                            
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf observed that the definition of                     
"rural" is included in the legislative findings on page 2,                     
line 10.  He noted that "rural" is not used again, except in                   
relationship to the repeal of the term.  Mr. Popely                            
clarified that the intent is to provide a definition of                        
"rural" for use in interpreting a preference for a rural                       
subsistence user in ANILCA.  The definition of "rural" was                     
not included in ANILCA.                                                        
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf noted that individual                               
characteristics are being substituted for geographical                         
location.  He questioned if it would meet the constitutional                   
test. Mr. Popely explained that page 2, lines 6 - 9 quote                      
the Alaska Supreme Court's McDowell decision.  He stressed                     
that the Court referred to the classification scheme of                        
employing individual characteristics as not running afoul of                   
the Equal Access Clause in the Alaska State Constitution.                      
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf observed that subsection (3) on                     
page 2, line 12 requests the congressional delegation to                       
attempt to change ANILCA.  He questioned the possibility of                    
changing ANILCA to conform to the criteria list developed by                   
HB 406.                                                                        
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf emphasized that the list should                     
be available before members decide if the congressional                        
delegation has a chance to conform ANILCA.                                     
                                                                               
Mr. Somerville acknowledged that that changes to ANILCA                        
would be required if CSHB 406 (JUD) is adopted.  He observed                   
that the dependency factor would have to be modified to                        
comply with state law.  The State would have to have                           
authority to establish subsistence and non-subsistence                         
areas.  The definition of rural would have to be changed to                    
comply with the legislation or the reference to rural would                    
have to be eliminated from ANILCA.                                             
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf questioned if the legislation                       
would satisfy ANILCA. Mr. Somerville maintained that the                       
legislation meets the intent of ANILCA, but acknowledged                       
that it would not satisfy ANILCA.  He emphasized that the                      
law has been significantly changed by case law since 1986.                     
                                                                               
Representative Martin observed that there is a large Native                    
population living in East Anchorage that is not considered                     
as subsistence users.  He questioned if they would have                        
subsistence rights under the legislation.  Mr. Somerville                      
replied that they could participate in subsistence                             
activities if they identify with a particular stock or                         
population.  They would have to comply with the criteria.                      
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Martin, Mr.                        
Popely explained that state subsistence laws govern state                      
lands.  If the Department of Interior accepts the state of                     
Alaska's scheme for state lands then the State would also                      
have the privilege of managing federal lands.                                  
                                                                               
MARY PETE, DIRECTOR, SUBSISTENCE DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF                       
FISH AND GAME provided an overview of the current                              
implementation process.  The subsistence issue and how the                     
current law is implemented are complex and misunderstood.                      
She provided a handout outlining the issues.  The outline                      
was distributed to the Board (copy on file).  Whenever there                   
is a subsistence concern, the Board moves through the                          
following process:                                                             
                                                                               
? Non-subsistence Area Filter.  Is the fish stock or                           
game population in question in a non-subsistence                               
area?  If all of the fish stock or game population                             
is in a non-subsistence area, there is no need for                             
the Board to address subsistence uses--subsistence                             
harvests are not allowed in a non-subsistence                                  
area.  If any portion of the fish stock or game                                
population is outside a non-subsistence area, then                             
the Board goes to step 2.                                                      
                                                                               
? Customary and Traditional Use Determination.  The                            
Board determines if there is a customary and                                   
traditional use of the fish stock or game                                      
population by applying eight criteria established                              
under 5AAC 99.010, considering information about                               
the use pattern.  If there has been a previous                                 
positive finding, then this step is unnecessary,                               
and the Board goes to Step 3.  If there has been a                             
previous negative finding, there is no need to                                 
address subsistence uses further, unless the                                   
proposal is for reconsidering a negative finding.                              
Also, the Board may periodically reconsider                                    
previous customary and traditional use findings.                               
                                                                               
? Harvestable Surplus Filter.  Can a portion of the                            
fish stock or game populations be harvested                                    
consistent with sustained yield, considering                                   
biological information?  If there is no                                        
harvestable surplus, then the Board authorizes no                              
fisheries or hunts on the stock-population, and                                
there is no need to address subsistence uses                                   
further.  If there is a harvestable surplus, then                              
the Board goes to Step 4.                                                      
                                                                               
? Amount Reasonable Necessary for Subsistence.  The                            
Board determines the amount reasonably necessary                               
for subsistence uses, considering information                                  
about the subsistence use pattern.  If there has                               
been a previous determination on the amount, then                              
the Board goes to Step 5.  The Board may                                       
periodically reconsider and update these                                       
determinations.                                                                
                                                                               
? Subsistence Regulations and Reasonable Opportunity                           
                                                                               
A. If the harvestable portion of the stock or                                  
population is sufficient to provide for all                                    
consumptive uses, the Board adopts subsistence                                 
regulations that provide a reasonable                                          
opportunity for subsistence uses, and provide                                  
for other uses of those stocks or populations,                                 
subject to preferences among beneficial uses.                                  
                                                                               
B. If the harvestable portion of the stock or                                  
population is sufficient to provide for                                        
subsistence uses, and some, but not all                                        
consumptive uses, the Board adopts subsistence                                 
regulations that provide a reasonable                                          
opportunity for subsistence uses, and may adopt                                
regulations that provide for other uses of                                     
those stocks or populations. The regulations                                   
that differentiate among consumptive use shall                                 
provide for a preference for subsistence uses.                                 
Also, nonresident hunting for moose, caribou,                                  
elk, and deer must be restricted before                                        
resident hunting for these species is                                          
restricted (AS 16.05.255d).                                                    
                                                                               
C. If the harvestable portion of the stock or                                  
population is sufficient to provide for                                        
subsistence uses, but no other consumptive                                     
uses, the Board adopts regulations that                                        
eliminate other consumptive uses in order to                                   
provide a reasonable opportunity for                                           
subsistence uses.  If subsistence regulations                                  
do not provide a reasonable opportunity for                                    
subsistence uses after eliminating all other                                   
uses, then the Board goes to Step 6.                                           
                                                                               
? Tier II Subsistence Regulations.  If the                                     
harvestable surplus is not sufficient to provide a                             
reasonable opportunity for subsistence uses for                                
human food, the Board adopts regulations that                                  
reduces or eliminates subsistence harvests for                                 
other subsistence uses (such as feeding sled                                   
dogs).  If the harvestable surplus is still not                                
sufficient to provide a reasonable opportunity for                             
subsistence uses, the Board adopts regulations                                 
providing for a Tier II fishery of the fish stock                              
or Tier II hunt of game population, following 5                                
AAC 92.062.                                                                    
                                                                               
Ms. Pete addressed concerns and problems with CSHB 406                         
(JUD), which changes the current process.  She noted that                      
the bill:                                                                      
                                                                               
? Does not get back State management on all lands                              
and waters.                                                                    
? Does not provide for customary and traditional                               
subsistence uses for communities that depend on                                
subsistence.                                                                   
? Would require a constitutional amendment.                                    
? Would create a costly, cumbersome bureaucracy to                             
provide for "qualified subsistence users".                                     
                                                                               
Ms. Pete maintained that  HB 406, as currently written, is                     
basically an "anti-subsistence" bill.  It would dismantle                      
the process described above and place a vague, cumbersome                      
and costly system that is very difficult for the Department                    
of Fish and Game to manage and enforce.                                        
                                                                               
? It mandates a "substantial increase" in non-                                 
subsistence areas.                                                             
? It would require all uses (not just subsistence)                             
be provided a reasonable opportunity.  This has                                
allocation implications.                                                       
? It would set up vague criteria and procedures for                            
determining "qualified subsistence users" for both                             
residents within and outside of customarily and                                
traditionally dependent areas.                                                 
? Individuals and areas will have to qualify on a                              
species, stock and population basis.                                           
? The last two points have the Department working                              
under one scenario where a minimum of 120 thousand                             
applications would have to be adjudicated each                                 
year.                                                                          
? It is unclear if the license application and                                 
adjudication processes will be required of                                     
individuals each year.  If they were awarded                                   
annually, then it would be common for adjudication                             
to take more than the hunting and fishing season                               
lasts.  A huge backlog of interim licenses or                                  
permits would make in-season management very                                   
difficult.                                                                     
? Each Board adjudicates the rebuttals and                                     
challenges for qualification, on top of everything                             
else they have to do.                                                          
? The license and adjudication process will require                            
a considerable bureaucracy.  Using Bethel as an                                
example: If Bethel were determined to be non-                                  
subsistence, hunters and fishers in a family, that                             
for generations participated in the common                                     
subsistence hunting and fishing activities, would                              
now have to appeal their disqualification for                                  
salmon fishing in their fish camp, moose hunting,                              
caribou hunting, spring water fowl hunting and                                 
whitefish fishing-5 separate appeals for each                                  
harvester in that family.                                                      
                                                                               
Representative Hanley asked if a resident of Anchorage, who                    
did not depend on subsistence, would be able to hunt or fish                   
under any of these areas?  Ms. Pete stated under current                       
law, they would not qualified.  Subsistence uses are open to                   
all Alaska residents, but within Anchorage and other non-                      
subsistence use areas, there are no subsistence uses.                          
Representative Hanley pointed out that he could go to Bethel                   
under current law.  Ms. Pete stated that was correct.                          
Representative Hanley acknowledged that he would be                            
"squeezed out" under Tier II.                                                  
                                                                               
Representative Hanley asked, under current State law, are                      
there people who have not been able to obtain subsistence                      
resources?  Ms. Pete said no.  Representative Hanley noted                     
that there is not a problem under state law with people                        
getting access to state resources.  Ms. Pete replied that                      
was correct.  There has been an increase in Tier II hunts,                     
because all Alaskans qualify.  There are game populations                      
that can't possibly satisfy all subsistence users, since all                   
Alaskans qualify.  There has been a proliferation of Tier II                   
hunts under current law.                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Hanley noted that true subsistence users have                   
been able to get the resources short of areas not having                       
enough.  Ms. Pete agreed, barring crashes such as the 1993-                    
chum crash.                                                                    
                                                                               
Representative Hanley observed that the State manages by                       
giving equal access to almost everyone.  There is a problem                    
with some people not being able to get subsistence resources                   
under federal law.  He observed that there are people under                    
state law who could subsist, that under the federal law, as                    
it currently gives rural preference, could not, if applied                     
to all state lands.  Ms. Pete acknowledged that there is a                     
potential for qualified subsistence issues under state law                     
that would not be qualified in federal hunts on federal                        
lands.                                                                         
                                                                               
Representative Hanley stated that Alaska has a better system                   
then would be implemented under federal law.  It guarantees                    
more people subsistence resources in a fair manner, without                    
discrimination based on drawing a line.                                        
                                                                               
Representative Hanley stated that he likes Alaska's current                    
system.  He maintained that it is better than the federal                      
law.  It protects rural people in many cases better than the                   
federal law does.  "We are trying to change the system to                      
something that is going to create problems."  He observed                      
that, under the current federal definition of rural and                        
continued growth, Bethel could find itself no longer in a                      
rural subsistence area.  Ms. Pete agreed.  Representative                      
Hanley voiced his frustration in trying to create a system                     
that is less fair and less successful for rural residents,                     
and will create more problems because of federal law that                      
was not thought out well.  He observed that the intent was                     
to protect the subsistence use.                                                
                                                                               
Ms. Pete stated that "if the State does comply with                            
Ninilchak, we would be able to use our system on all state                     
lands and waters.  Not just on non-federal lands and                           
waters."  Representative Hanley stressed that his concern                      
was that the Legislature should work to change federal law                     
to conform with state law since it protects rural resident's                   
rights.  He suggested that the current state law is more                       
beneficial to rural residents.                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault questioned why regulations would be                        
adopted when the population is sufficient to provide for all                   
consumptive uses.  Ms. Pete explained that two standards                       
used are.  The first standard is to provide a reasonable                       
opportunity.  The second standard is that subsistence uses                     
must be customary and traditional.  If the customary and                       
traditional pattern is a longer season or bigger bag limit,                    
it makes sense to distinguish subsistence uses from non-                       
subsistence uses.                                                              
                                                                               
Representative Martin questioned why a constitutional                          
amendment would still be needed.  He added that Anchorage                      
Natives would prefer to be dependent on subsistence rather                     
than be dependent on welfare.  Ms. Pete observed that most                     
hunting activities by Anchorage residents occur within non-                    
subsistence areas.  Ms. Pete acknowledged that Anchorage                       
Natives do not have subsistence rights under current law.                      
Representative Martin expressed concern that constituents in                   
his district have been denied their subsistence rights.                        
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf questioned how challenges and                       
petitions would work.  Ms. Pete clarified that anyone can                      
offer a challenge to a petition.  A person can bring an                        
appeal on his or her own disqualification.  She estimated                      
that staff to implement the adjudication process would cost                    
approximately $2 million dollars.  There are potentials for                    
four levels of qualification.  There would be about five                       
hearing officers for five different regions in the state.                      
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf referred to page 7, line 19.  He                    
asked if concerns have been expressed regarding                                
representation of the regional councils.  Ms. Pete expressed                   
concern that the regional advisory councils are able to                        
comment on all of the Board's proposals.                                       
                                                                               
STEVE WHITE, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF LAW                     
reviewed legal issues relating to HB CSHB 406 (JUD).  He                       
discussed constitutional concerns.  A presumption is given                     
on page 4, subsection (d), based on residency.  The                            
presumption can be rebutted.   A resident in an area that is                   
determined by the appropriate board to be customarily and                      
traditionally dependent on the stock or population is                          
presumed to be a qualified subsistence user.  A person                         
living outside of an area that is determined by the                            
appropriate board to be customarily and traditionally                          
dependent on the stock or population is presumed not to be a                   
qualified subsistence user.  He maintained that the access                     
is based on residency.  He asserted that this runs afoul of                    
Article VIII of the Alaska State Constitution.  He noted                       
that the McDowell decision stated that residents could not                     
be distinguished based on rural and urban residency.  The                      
Alaska Supreme Court ruled in the Kenaitze decision that                       
subsistence priority could not be based on proximity to the                    
resource.  He quoted from the Kenaitze decision:                               
                                                                               
"residency based criteria are not permissible.  People                         
who reside near a fish or game population do not have a                        
higher claim to that population than state residents                           
whose domiciles are more distant."                                             
                                                                               
Mr. White concluded that the presumption would be                              
unconstitutional unless the Equal Access Clause is amended.                    
                                                                               
Mr. White reviewed differences between ANILCA and CSHB 406                     
(JUD).  He emphasized that the State can resume management                     
of federal lands if state law is consistent in the                             
definitions, preference and participation under ANILCA.  The                   
preference under ANILCA, establishes a preference for                          
subsistence uses over all other uses.  He observed that CSHB
406 (JUD) does not give subsistence priority over all other                    
uses until the resource has decreased to a certain degree.                     
If there is enough for some uses but not all uses,                             
subsistence receives an advantage.  Subsistence use is given                   
priority when there is only enough resource for subsistence                    
use.                                                                           
                                                                               
Mr. White added that, under ANILCA, rural residents have                       
subsistence priority.  "Rural resident" has been interpreted                   
by federal boards as residents of communities in areas that                    
are customarily and traditionally dependent on the stock or                    
population.  He observed that CSHB 406 (JUD) establishes an                    
individual criteria basis.  He stated that how the                             
individual criteria and the presumptions based on residency                    
work together in CSHB 406 (JUD) is confusing. Individual                       
criteria are substantially different than the criteria used                    
in ANILCA.                                                                     
                                                                               
Mr. White stated that there are also differences in the                        
regional subsistence advisory councils and local advisory                      
committees.  Both call for six regional subsistence regions.                   
There is a significant difference in how members are                           
selected.  Under ANILCA, the governor selects members.                         
Under CSHB 406 (JUD), the Board selects members.  The only                     
qualification, under CSHB 406 (JUD), is that members be well                   
informed.  Under ANILCA, regional advisory councils only                       
give recommendations and advice on subsistence issues.                         
Under CSHB 406 (JUD), they can give advice and                                 
recommendations on any issues in their area.  Under ANILCA,                    
the state boards can reject a recommendation by a regional                     
council for one of three reasons.  He observed that CSHB 406                   
(JUD) includes the three reasons and adds an additional                        
ground for rejection.  He concluded that these areas must be                   
conformed in order to regain management by December 1, 1998.                   
                                                                               
Mr. White discussed ambiguities in CSHB 406 (JUD).  He                         
questioned if the individual criteria are part of or                           
separate from the presumption process.  He asked who decides                   
the application.  How long a permit would be available?                        
Would applications be for specific stock and populations or                    
be for any stock or population identified by the board?  He                    
noted that if there is sufficient resource to provide for                      
all consumptive uses, that all users shall have reasonable                     
opportunity for all uses of the stock or population.  He                       
questioned the use of  "reasonable opportunity" in relation                    
to commercial fishing.                                                         
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Kelly, Mr. White                   
explained that ANILCA provides that subsistence uses are                       
automatically given priority when harvest is restricted to                     
protect the resource.  The legislation does not give a                         
priority to subsistence if there is enough for all uses.                       
The next step is when there is enough for some, but not all                    
uses.  Then subsistence is given an advantage, not an                          
absolute priority.  When there is just enough for                              
subsistence level the legislation parallels ANILCA.                            
                                                                               
Mr. White observed that the Court recognized that there is a                   
difference from distinguishing among users based on their                      
qualification to hunt or fish and distinguishing between                       
beneficial uses.  The Court said that Article IV allows the                    
state of Alaska to distinguish between beneficial uses.                        
Therefore the State can allocate between different uses.  As                   
long as reasonable criteria is used there does not have to                     
be an equal allocation between uses.  Problem with the Equal                   
Access Clause occurs when there is qualification within the                    
use.  Rural residency cannot be used as the criteria.  He                      
explained that the Constitution would have to be amended to                    
give a presumption based on residency.  A constitutional                       
amendment could be crafted to allow an urban/rural priority                    
or a presumption based on residency.  He did not think that                    
CSHB 406 (JUD) sufficiently moves toward ANILCA.  He                           
stressed that the biggest difference between CSHB 406 (JUD)                    
and ANILCA is who qualifies.  They qualify two different                       
groups of people.  For the court to find CSHB 406 (JUD)                        
consistent with ANILCA they would have to qualify the same                     
groups of people.  He observed that the state of Alaska was                    
sued because its definition of rural wasn't the same as the                    
federal definition of rural.  The state of Alaska's                            
definition described rural in terms of socio-economic                          
characteristics.  The Court ruled that "rural" is not                          
defined by the socio-economic characteristics of an area.                      
The Court held that "rural" referred to population density.                    
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf summarized that the legislation                     
could conform to ANILCA, or ANILCA could be conformed to the                   
legislation.  He stressed that the state constitutional test                   
would not be met by the use of individual characteristics.                     
                                                                               
(Tape Change, HFC 98 -98, Side 1)                                              
                                                                               
Mr. White clarified that there is not a constitutional                         
problem with the individual criteria.  He explained that the                   
presumptions in favor and against people based on residency                    
create a constitutional problem.  He maintained that                           
individual criteria could stand a constitutional challenge                     
as long as they are well drafted.                                              
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault summarized that, under current law, the                    
subsistence priority is always in effect because there are                     
no conditions where there are no restricts on the resource.                    
Mr. White agreed.  He added that it is not implemented until                   
the resource is in such low abundance that other uses are                      
curtailed.                                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault questioned why an absolute subsistence                     
priority is needed when there are enough resources to cover                    
all the uses.                                                                  
                                                                               
Ms. Pete explained that the priority is needed because the                     
law states that subsistence uses are customary and                             
traditional uses.  To comply with the reasonable opportunity                   
standard the traditional and customary pattern must be                         
included.  She pointed out that it has been traditional and                    
customary for subsistence hunters to take moose while they                     
swim across the river at Onion Portage.  Taking moose while                    
swimming is prohibited everywhere in the State except at                       
Onion Portage.  To honor the traditional and customary                         
patterns subsistence is provided for all the time.  Other                      
uses are not eliminated until there is a shortage.  She                        
emphasized that it is more than harvest levels.  Methods,                      
means and season bag limits have to comply with the                            
customary and traditional use pattern.                                         
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Grussendorf, Mr.                   
White observed that subsistence as an advantage first                          
appeared in CSHB 406 (JUD).  He observed that there is a                       
difference between "reasonable opportunity" as contained in                    
the legislation and in ANILCA.  The legislation refers to                      
normally diligent hunter or fisherman as a qualification of                    
"reasonable opportunity."                                                      
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT OGAN maintained that ANILCA is not                        
rational.  He stated that it is arbitrary.                                     
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Kelly, Mr.                         
Popely noted that the terms "in time of shortage" is not                       
contained in ANILCA.  He observed that CSHB 406 (JUD) was                      
drafted to apply the priority only when all consumptive uses                   
cannot be met.  He explained that case law is not delineated                   
in a way that gives a clear path to whether CSHB 406 (JUD)                     
would be constitutional.  He did not believe that the                          
legislation would require a constitutional amendment.  He                      
noted that it is most likely to run afoul of the Uniform                       
Application Clause, under Article VIII, Section 17.  This                      
section provides that residents of the state will be treated                   
equally in respect to the state's natural resources.   He                      
argued that the residence criteria is used only for                            
presumption.  The McDowell case discussed residency as an                      
exclusive bar to participation in the preference scheme.  He                   
quoted from the McDowell case:                                                 
                                                                               
"We do not imply that the Constitution bars all methods                        
of exclusion.  Exclusion is required for species                               
protection reasons.  We hold only that the residency                           
criteria used in the 1986 Act, which conclusively                              
excludes all urban residents from subsistence hunting                          
and fishing, regardless of their individual                                    
characteristics, is unconstitutional."                                         
                                                                               
Mr. Popely concluded that the Court would look favorably on                    
some exclusionary scheme, based on individual                                  
characteristics, as opposed to open and closed classes                         
through which one cannot move.  He acknowledged that the                       
presumption uses place of residence, but it does not give                      
anyone an automatic right to participate or automatically                      
exclude anyone.  It is merely an administrative means to                       
afford the preference on an individual basis.                                  
                                                                               
Mr. Popely quoted from the Kenaitze case:                                      
                                                                               
"Inconvenience is in no sense the equivalent of a bar                          
to eligibility for participation in subsistence hunting                        
and fishing and does not suffice to trigger an analysis                        
under the equal access clauses."                                               
                                                                               
Mr. Popely argued that the presumption is merely a                             
convenience and would not trigger a uniform application                        
challenge that would make it fatal under the Constitution.                     
The court looks at the individual interest that is at stake.                   
In this case it would be the equal access to natural                           
resources in the state of Alaska.  If a law threatens that                     
right, the court asks if there is a legitimate purpose for                     
the law.  The purpose is weighed against the right.  The                       
court asks if it is a tight enough fit.  He reiterated that                    
the legislation does not require equal access provisions to                    
be changed.                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault questioned if the Court found that the                     
state law was not tight enough because "rural" was a blanket                   
line.  He observed that the line is not firm under the                         
presumption.                                                                   
                                                                               
GEORGE UTERMOHLE, ATTORNEY, ALASKA AFFAIRS AGENCY stressed                     
that CSHB 406 (JUD) does not raise the same kinds of issues                    
that caused the prior rural preference to be struck down.                      
He acknowledged that eligibility cannot be based on                            
geographical location.   He observed that under CSHB 406                       
(JUD), eligibility for subsistence is limited to people that                   
show a customary and traditional dependence on the resource.                   
The legislation provides that certain people, who reside in                    
an area, which has also shown a customary and traditional                      
dependence on the resource, have a presumption of satisfying                   
the criteria.  The individual's ultimate ability to                            
participate is not determined by the presumption.  He                          
acknowledged that the presumptions would be subject to                         
review, under the uniform application section.  The value of                   
the presumption will be balanced against the ability of                        
residents to get into a subsistence group on a reasonable                      
basis.  The court will determine if the state of Alaska's                      
interest prevails over the individual interests.  The court                    
will then determine if the means the State has chosen to                       
achieve its goal of administrative convenience is                              
sufficiently tailored to achieve the end.  He stressed that                    
the court's decision is undeterminable.                                        
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Kelly, Mr.                         
Utermohle did not see any negative impacts from the adoption                   
of a constitutional amendment.  He observed that HJR 66                        
would provided for a subsistence preference in the state                       
Constitution.  He observed that HJR 66 would not amend other                   
provisions of the Constitution that would be at tension with                   
a subsistence preference based on proximity of the resource.                   
He noted that HJR 66 would be confined strictly to                             
subsistence.  The Equal Access Clause, the Due Process                         
Clause, the Common Use Clause, and the Fishery Clause would                    
be implicitly amended to the extent necessary to provide for                   
the constitutional subsistence preference.                                     
                                                                               
Representative Ogan pointed out that Mr. Utermohle issued a                    
legal opinion regarding a constitutional amendment, dated                      
3/27/98 (copy on file).                                                        
                                                                               
Mr. Utermohle reiterated that the preference, established in                   
CSHB 406 (JUD), meets constitutional requirements by                           
providing individual criteria.  The constitutional issue is                    
how significant is the presumption given to determining who                    
is entitled to the preference.  If the presumptions were                       
struck down, the criteria for individual users would still                     
remain valid.                                                                  
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Mulder, Mr.                        
Utermohle observed that the procedure that the Boards now                      
follow is pursuant to current subsistence law.  The Boards                     
would develop a procedure to implement CSHB 406 (JUD).  He                     
anticipated that current law would be amended to conform to                    
CSHB 406 (JUD).                                                                
                                                                               
In response to a question by Representative Grussendorf, Mr.                   
Utermohle agreed that the Common Use Clause allows people to                   
use the resources of the state in common where they occur.                     
Representative Grussendorf asked how an advantage could be                     
given to particular individuals over others.  Mr. Utermohle                    
explained that the state of Alaska, under the Common Use                       
Clause, has the ability to limit access to the resource to                     
achieve a sustained yield.  Limitations cannot be strictly                     
based on residence.                                                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault observed that the Common Use is linked                     
to maintenance of the sustained yield principle.  Mr.                          
Utermohle agreed that complementary constitutional                             
provisions must be balanced.                                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault stressed that sustained yield will                         
always receive priority because if the resource is depleted                    
there is nothing to divide.                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE asked for clarification regarding                     
when the subsistence priority takes place.  Co-Chair                           
Therriault summarized that the priority exists all the time                    
under ANILCA.  The access to the resource is not impacted                      
until there is a shortage.  The priority is in place                           
whenever there is any restriction to the resource.  If state                   
law were amended to conform to ANILCA, there would always be                   
a subsistence priority.                                                        
                                                                               
HB 406 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                        

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